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Re: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List

  • To: John North
  • Subject: Re: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
  • From: Adam Thiel/Alex
  • Date: 16 May 2008 20:17:01
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  • Cc:
John:

No problem; I know you're on it...thanks!

Adam


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John North
    Sent: 05/16/2008 07:11 PM EDT
    To: Adam Thiel
    Subject: Re: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Sir, I am working the problem. 10 weeks on the foam trailer I'm woking with another vender to get one out of NC sooner.I should hear back Sat. I will be ready
with answer s Monday AM. 90 days on the truck but I don't see that as a problem. All the other items will be in fast. Sorry you have needed to be involved while on vacation. John.
                                                                                                                               


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Adam Thiel
    Sent: 05/16/2008 06:31 PM EDT
    To: Michele Evans; Jim Hartmann
    Cc: John North; James Lynch
    Subject: Re: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
They'll probably both take awhile; manufacturers generally don't keep these items as inventory.

That said, I know Jim and Chief North are working to secure an interim option (demo unit or the like); Dr. Gordon and the emergency procurement authority should help us get everything sooner. Also, when we receive the 'hand' foam equipment we'll at least have some capability to deliver the foam stored on-site; those items should arrive rather quickly.

We'll keep everyone updated as things progress.

Thanks!

Adam


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Michele Evans
    Sent: 05/16/2008 06:01 PM EDT
    To: Adam Thiel; Jim Hartmann
    Subject: Fw: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Sorry it was the trailer not the truck that was taking 12 weeks
----- Forwarded by Michele Evans/Alex on 05/16/2008 06:00 PM -----
Jim Hartmann/Alex

05/16/2008 07:07 AM

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John North/Alex@Alex
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Adam Thiel/Alex@Alex, James Lynch/Alex@Alex, Michele Evans/Alex@Alex, Steve Gordon/Alex@Alex
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Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment ListLink




12 weeks won't do. Can the NS contractor help?


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John North
    Sent: 05/16/2008 06:45 AM EDT
    To: Jim Hartmann
    Cc: Adam Thiel; James Lynch; Michele Evans; Steve Gordon
    Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Sir,
I'm out of the office all day assisting with an assessment center for National Airport FD. I have assigned staff, in my absence to work on establishing delivery times. I impressed on them to work to minimize lead times and see if loaner equipment might be available during production. The foam trailer, the most critical item, shows a 12 week build time, that is what I will look to reduce or obtain a loaner to fill our void. As I receive information I will forward to all via my blackberry.

Thanks
John

John W. North
Battalion Chief
Special Operations
Office xxx-xxx-xxxx
Cell xxx-xxx-xxxx


Jim Hartmann/Alex

05/15/2008 03:14 PM

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Okay. But this needs top priority. Lets get a good handle on the lead time asap. I need to know when we will have the equipment in place ( and don't tell me we are going to paint the truck).Can we assess availability by tomorrow?
Jim Hartmann
Alexandria City Manager
xxx-xxx-xxxx


Michele Evans/Alex

05/15/2008 03:07 PM

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Thanks John.

This sounds like a good plan.  We need to move ahead quickly after that, since we need the equipment to be able to respond. (I am stating the obvious, I guess).
Michele  


John North/Alex

05/15/2008 02:29 PM

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Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment ListLink




Ms.Evans,
I just spoke with Mr. McNeil with NS, the plan is, if you approve, we will do the ordering and have NS invoiced directly. Mr. McNeil is going to run this by his fiscal staff but sees no problem. I told Mr. McNeil we will not begin until Monday allowing him to do a final check on his end, and allow me to check and get approval on this end.
thanks
John

John W. North
Battalion Chief
Special Operations
Office xxx-xxx-xxxx
Cell xxx-xxx-xxxx


Michele Evans/Alex

05/15/2008 01:45 PM

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Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment ListLink




Good idea
Thanks
Michele


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John North
    Sent: 05/15/2008 01:34 PM EDT
    To: Michele Evans; Steve Gordon
    Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
I will call NC and see if I can get an answer. John


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Michele Evans
    Sent: 05/15/2008 01:27 PM EDT
    To: Steve Gordon
    Cc: John North
    Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Thanks
Steve
We are still trying to figure out if we are buying things or if nsc is

John
Can you clarify?
Michele


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Steve Gordon
    Sent: 05/15/2008 10:16 AM EDT
    To: Michele Evans
    Cc: Adam Thiel; Bruce Johnson; George McAndrews; James Lynch; Jim Hartmann; John North
    Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Michele,

We'll do what we need to do to make this happen asap.  

Steve

Stephen B. Gordon, CPPO, FNIGP, Ph.D.
Director of Procurement
City of Alexandria, Virginia
Telephone: xxx-xxx-xxxx
FAX: xxx-xxx-xxxx
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Michele Evans/Alex

05/15/2008 09:23 AM

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Folks,
If the City is acquiring the fire protection equipment and supplies, they would be considered an emergency purchase.   The reason is we have no ability to provide fire protection at and around the Norfolk Southern operation in the west end without these things.   We need them immediately.

Steve, if you need more in the way of justification for this let us know.
thanks
Michele  


Adam Thiel/Alex

05/15/2008 02:19 AM

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Fw: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List





Jim:

(One of) the next step(s) with this deal is securing the enumerated equipment/supplies/training.

I'm not sure how we will accept/operationalize Norfolk Southern's donation of equipment/supplies, but I know we need to make it happen ASAP, so I've copied several folks on this email who might have the answer(s).

Please work with Chief North, NS, George McAndrews, and (anyone else?) to make sure we identify any issues/concerns that need to be addressed.

Thanks!

Adam
____________________________________
Adam K. Thiel
Fire Chief
Alexandria Fire Department
900 Second Street
Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting

-----Forwarded by Adam Thiel/Alex on 05/15/2008 02:12AM -----
To: "McNeil, Doug" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
From: Adam Thiel/Alex
Date: 05/15/2008 02:09AM
cc: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting, text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting, Byron Andrews III <text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting>, "Webb, Mike" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Edwards, John, V" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Jordan, A. Gayle" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, Lawson David <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Wingo, William B." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Chapman, Robin C." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Reiner, James E." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, Michele Evans/Alex@Alex, Jim Hartmann/Alex@Alex, Tony Castrilli/Alex@Alex, Ignacio Pessoa/Alex@Alex, Steve Mason/Alex@Alex, George McAndrews/Alex@Alex, James Lynch/Alex@Alex, Cameron Hall/Alex@Alex, Rich Baier/Alex@Alex
Subject: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List
Doug, et al.:

We appreciate your positive response and look forward to working with NS to secure the listed items as soon as possible.

We will provide (via email) a copy of the City Manager's memo to City Council upon its release (expected later this morning).

Also, we will provide the date/time/location for the initial community meeting, to discuss the ethanol transloading facility/operation, as soon as it is determined (anticipated for next week). The City's expectation for said meeting is that the NS representative(s) will take the lead on presenting an overview of the facility/operation/safety characteristics; City staff (including the Fire Chief and Emergency Management Director) will be present to address relevant questions and discuss our partnership with NS to protect the facility/community.

Finally, the City's present understanding is that NS (and/or the trucking company/companies loading ethanol at the facility) will secure the haul permits required by City ordinance without delay.

Thanks again and please feel free to call/email with any additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,

Adam
____________________________________
Adam K. Thiel
Fire Chief
Alexandria Fire Department
900 Second Street
Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail:  text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting

-----"McNeil, Doug" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: -----
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From: "McNeil, Doug" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
Date: 05/14/2008 11:27PM
cc: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting, Byron Andrews III <text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting>, "Webb, Mike" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Edwards, John, V" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Jordan, A. Gayle" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, Lawson David <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Wingo, William B." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Chapman, Robin C." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>, "Reiner, James E." <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: RE: Detailed Alexandria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List

Adam Thiel

 

As a follow up to our conference call on May 9, 2008, Norfolk Southern has reviewed the attached list of Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment and Supplies provided by the Alex andria Fire Department.   In summary this list includes:

 

Dedicated F450 Tow Vehicle with utility body

Foam Trailer with two loaded 330 gallon totes

Set of Foam Nozzle/ Eductors

Monitoring/Spill Control Equipment

 

Because neither Alex andria nor any of the surrounding mutual aid jurisdictions have this equipment, we plan to contribute these as well as the 1,640 gallons of AR-AFFF foam on hand at the Norfolk Southern ethanol transloading facility to the Alex andria Fire Department for general purpose use.   Further, we recognize some efficiencies could be gained by storing some of these items at the Norfolk Southern site, and would offer that to you at no cost.   If the Alex :PersonNameandria Fire Department chooses to store any equipment and/or foam at the facility site, such storage would be at :CityAlex andria ?s risk; we will not provide any security beyond what we actually provide to the facility itself.   In the highly unlikely event that the equipment is used to respond to an incident at the Norfolk :City Southern ethanol transload facility, :CityNorfolk Southern would replace any used foam.   In addition, we understand your desire to train Alex andria fire fighters in dealing with railroad emergencies of all kinds.   We would be pleased to sponsor one attendee per year at the Transportation Technology Center, Inc. (?TTCI?) Emergency Response Training Center.

 

Norfolk Southern continues to value the relationship we have developed with the Alex andria Fire Department.   We believe that what we have offered, together with the design/build of the facility itself, constitutes a very strong commitment to ensuring adequate fire and spill protection.   We look forward to continuing to work with you to provide fact based information to the community.

 

Douglas P. McNeil

Director Government & Distribution Services

Norfolk Southern Corporation

Three Commercial Place

Norfolk , VA 23510

xxx-xxx-xxxx

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:07 PM
To: McNeil, Doug
Cc: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting; text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting; Webb, Mike
Subject: RE: Detailed :CityAlex andria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List

 

Doug/Mike:

Appreciate the correction.

We look forward to your affirmative response on these items so we can include a reference to such in tomorrow morning's memo to Council.

Thanks!


Adam
____________________________________
Adam K. Thiel
Fire Chief
Alex andria  Fire Department
900  Second Street
Alex andria ,  VA   22314
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail:  text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting

 

-----"McNeil, Doug" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: -----

To: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting
From: "McNeil, Doug" <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
Date: 05/14/2008 04:59PM
cc: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting, " Webb, Mike " <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: RE: Detailed Alex andria FD Ethanol Fire/Spill Response Equipment List

There was an error in the totals in your spreadsheet which we corrected
(attached).  Total now comes to $116,521.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting [ text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:55 PM
To: Webb, Mike
Cc: McNeil, Doug; text converted to image to prevent junkmail harvesting
Subject:


Mr. Webb,
As requested during our phone conversation I have compiled the proposed
list of response equipment needed and provided specifications and
pricing.
The pricing, where applicable is based on current contract pricing
and/or
state contract pricing. I only addressed equipment needs, I will leave
training requirements and needs for you and Chief Thiel to address at a
later date. If after reviewing, you have any questions please contact me
on
my cell phone or e-mail and I will get right back to you.

Thank you for your support, I look forward to your reply and our moving
forward with this initiative.

John
                                  (See attached file: ETHANOL RESPONSE
EQUIPMENT.xls)
John W. North
Battalion Chief
Special Operations
Office xxx-xxx-xxxx
Cell xxx-xxx-xxxx

 



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